as we discussed in class most plays did not have a long scene 1 and that main characters and plot points would not be included. any important info was supposed to be repeated, and as mr . laz hinted hamlet wasn't the case, and it seemed so. Horatio was introduced, and they talked about important topics like the deah of the king. It was also pretty long for a scene 1. Any thoughts as to why he did this?
Like he said in class, scene one was to attract the audience because most of them were fighting, so in Hamlet, a ghost appearing before the guards intrigued them into watching the play. Also in scene two the guards explain the events that occurred the previous night, so it didn't matter if the commoners missed the first scene.
Another Question: What is the significance of the rooster crowing that makes the ghost go away? Why would a rooster crow at night?
The rooster crowing was signifing that the dawn was approaching and as Mr. Laz said in class ghosts only appeared at night so the rooster crowing ment that the ghost had to leave. Most likly since time did not matter in the plays it was just assumed much more time had actualy passed. Escape from reality type of thing.
What are the reasons behind Laertes and Polonius' dislike for Hamlet? Is it just because they are protective of Ophelia or is there something more specific?
In Polonius’s house, Laertes prepares to leave for France. Bidding his sister, Ophelia, farewell, he cautions her against falling in love with Hamlet, who is, according to Laertes, too far above her by birth to be able to love her honorably. Since Hamlet is responsible not only for his own feelings but for his position in the state, it may be impossible for him to marry her. Ophelia agrees to keep Laertes’ advice as a “watchman” close to her heart but urges him not to give her advice that he does not practice himself.
Could anyone tell me what happened in class today? I was sick today. If there are any notes or questions that were discussed in class, I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks a bunch!
I am still kind of confused on the end meaning of Hamlet's soliloquy at the end of Act 1 Scene 2, can anyone clue me in on the analysis of this, I know we talked about it in class but its still a little cloudy.
Wouldnt it be good if Ophelia and Hamlet endeded up together because wouldnt Polonius want her to marry Hamlet so their families could come together? Or is that not as true in this era? R. Fink
It seems to me that Polonius doesn't like Hamlet. It may be because he is not Claudius' son and since Polonius is all for Cluadius being king, he would want a son of Claudius and not (old) Hamlet to be king, even though Hamlet is pretty close. Things were weird back then with heirs and all that. Polonius also seems to be a little too protective of Ophelia and I get the feeling that Polonius thinks Hamlet is a little too lecherous for her. That's just how I see it, of course it's probably something totally different.
P.S. I need some help with #2 and 4 in Act 1.ii. It asks about Claudius' choice of words and his character.
Polonius doesnt want Ophelia to have a relationship with Hamlet, because he is a crown prince so he must marry someone of a very high station, like a foriegn princess. Polonius doesnt want Ophilia's heart to be broken or her honor stained.
Could someone please explain Hamlet's first soliloquy (ln 133-164)? I have the basic understanding of what he is angry about but I don't understand the imagery or some of the details that well. This number 16 for Act 1.ii. ~Heather C
For the Soliloquy lines (133-164) Hamlet is depressed that god's law forbids suicide (self slaughter) and that the king changed from a god (Hyperion)referring to his father to something detested(a satyr). He is confused why his mother that loved his father so much would mourn so little and marry his uncle, which he says is no more like his father than a mortal is to a demigod. She got over Hamlet's father in a month and married quickly(reference to sex). Finally, he says the marriage can come to no good, but it pains him that he must not speak badly about the king and his mother.
Is Hamlet being sarcastic by his suicide comment (line 133-136) or is he truly depressed and was seriously cotemplating it before his knowledge of his father's ghost? ~Heather C
I think Hamlet is serious about his suicide comment, his father is recently dead, albeit a father he probably didnt know well since the two of them were very different, adn his Uncle is now his step-father because his mother married him, less than a month after his father died. Life for Hamlet probably feels very dark and hopeless at this point.
You don't think that he is being sarcastic like a bratty teenager (despite the fact he is about 30)? I mean he was and is trying to run away from his responsibilities as heir to Dennmark. He just wants to go back to school to study philosophy and he has no concern for Dennmark.
The thing is he is thinking this to himself so he is not trying to be hurtful to anyone by saying I wish I was dead so I didnt have to deal with you. Most likely he is being atleast partly serious.
I know this is a dumb question, but i'm a little confused about if Hamlet's title is prince, then is Claudius and Gertrude saying that he can't return to school because he has to focus on his duties to become a better prince, or a soon to be king?
I don't know if this is right but I looked "antic disposition" up and I think it is to pretend to be crazy or pretend that you are insane. I am not sure. I don't know what it means either! haha
Hamlet is not allowed to return to school because school will not teach him what he needs to know in order to rule a country. His school is a philosophy school, which wont help him run a country.
Heather to respond to your comment I think Hamlet really is being seriuos about killing himself and not being sarcastic. While reading the book he does seem really depressed and i think he would kill himself.
To answer a question above i think Laertes and Polonius dont want Ophelia tlaking to Hamlet because not only are they protective and know he will hurt her but becasue his dad just died and i think they are kind of forshadowing that they know Hamlets father was murdered and that Hamlet could be getting into really bad things. Like getting revenge.
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as we discussed in class most plays did not have a long scene 1 and that main characters and plot points would not be included. any important info was supposed to be repeated, and as mr . laz hinted hamlet wasn't the case, and it seemed so. Horatio was introduced, and they talked about important topics like the deah of the king. It was also pretty long for a scene 1. Any thoughts as to why he did this?
Like he said in class, scene one was to attract the audience because most of them were fighting, so in Hamlet, a ghost appearing before the guards intrigued them into watching the play. Also in scene two the guards explain the events that occurred the previous night, so it didn't matter if the commoners missed the first scene.
Another Question:
What is the significance of the rooster crowing that makes the ghost go away? Why would a rooster crow at night?
The rooster crowing was signifing that the dawn was approaching and as Mr. Laz said in class ghosts only appeared at night so the rooster crowing ment that the ghost had to leave. Most likly since time did not matter in the plays it was just assumed much more time had actualy passed. Escape from reality type of thing.
Lisa S
What are the reasons behind Laertes and Polonius' dislike for Hamlet? Is it just because they are protective of Ophelia or is there something more specific?
Brittany M
In Polonius’s house, Laertes prepares to leave for France. Bidding his sister, Ophelia, farewell, he cautions her against falling in love with Hamlet, who is, according to Laertes, too far above her by birth to be able to love her honorably. Since Hamlet is responsible not only for his own feelings but for his position in the state, it may be impossible for him to marry her. Ophelia agrees to keep Laertes’ advice as a “watchman” close to her heart but urges him not to give her advice that he does not practice himself.
Could anyone tell me what happened in class today? I was sick today. If there are any notes or questions that were discussed in class, I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks a bunch!
~Heather C
We had a quiz, and we talked about act 1 scene 2.
~Lisa S
I am still kind of confused on the end meaning of Hamlet's soliloquy at the end of Act 1 Scene 2, can anyone clue me in on the analysis of this, I know we talked about it in class but its still a little cloudy.
-Doug Z
basically hes saying that any foul play will be discovered. He is hinting that something is suspisious with his fathers death.
Hamlet is saying that it is strange that so soon after his father died his uncle married his mother, not even a month later.
~Lisa S.
Wouldnt it be good if Ophelia and Hamlet endeded up together because wouldnt Polonius want her to marry Hamlet so their families could come together? Or is that not as true in this era?
R. Fink
It seems to me that Polonius doesn't like Hamlet. It may be because he is not Claudius' son and since Polonius is all for Cluadius being king, he would want a son of Claudius and not (old) Hamlet to be king, even though Hamlet is pretty close. Things were weird back then with heirs and all that. Polonius also seems to be a little too protective of Ophelia and I get the feeling that Polonius thinks Hamlet is a little too lecherous for her.
That's just how I see it, of course it's probably something totally different.
P.S. I need some help with #2 and 4 in Act 1.ii.
It asks about Claudius' choice of words and his character.
Polonius doesnt want Ophelia to have a relationship with Hamlet, because he is a crown prince so he must marry someone of a very high station, like a foriegn princess. Polonius doesnt want Ophilia's heart to be broken or her honor stained.
~Lisa S
Could someone please explain Hamlet's first soliloquy (ln 133-164)? I have the basic understanding of what he is angry about but I don't understand the imagery or some of the details that well. This number 16 for Act 1.ii.
~Heather C
For the Soliloquy lines (133-164)
Hamlet is depressed that god's law forbids suicide (self slaughter) and that the king changed from a god (Hyperion)referring to his father to something detested(a satyr). He is confused why his mother that loved his father so much would mourn so little and marry his uncle, which he says is no more like his father than a mortal is to a demigod. She got over Hamlet's father in a month and married quickly(reference to sex). Finally, he says the marriage can come to no good, but it pains him that he must not speak badly about the king and his mother.
Is Hamlet being sarcastic by his suicide comment (line 133-136) or is he truly depressed and was seriously cotemplating it before his knowledge of his father's ghost?
~Heather C
I think Hamlet is serious about his suicide comment, his father is recently dead, albeit a father he probably didnt know well since the two of them were very different, adn his Uncle is now his step-father because his mother married him, less than a month after his father died. Life for Hamlet probably feels very dark and hopeless at this point.
~Lisa S.
You don't think that he is being sarcastic like a bratty teenager (despite the fact he is about 30)? I mean he was and is trying to run away from his responsibilities as heir to Dennmark. He just wants to go back to school to study philosophy and he has no concern for Dennmark.
The comment above is by Heather C
The thing is he is thinking this to himself so he is not trying to be hurtful to anyone by saying I wish I was dead so I didnt have to deal with you. Most likely he is being atleast partly serious.
~Lisa S
I know this is a dumb question, but i'm a little confused about if Hamlet's title is prince, then is Claudius and Gertrude saying that he can't return to school because he has to focus on his duties to become a better prince, or a soon to be king?
R. Fink
Also, on the study guide number 17 in Act I scene V and in Act II scene I what does antic disposition mean?
R. Fink
I don't know if this is right but I looked "antic disposition" up and I think it is to pretend to be crazy or pretend that you are insane. I am not sure. I don't know what it means either! haha
Heather C
This should answer any of your questions about Hamlet's "antic disposition".
http://erichmusick.com/writings/03/antic_disposition.html
Hamlet is not allowed to return to school because school will not teach him what he needs to know in order to rule a country. His school is a philosophy school, which wont help him run a country.
~Lisa S.
In Class Laz said that Hamlet really would have killed himself if God didn't forbid it. Also Hamlet directly says that in his solilique
Chris C.
During class Mr. Lazarow talked Hamlets antic diposition does anyone really understand, becasue during class it wasn't very clear.
Dylan Ketchel
Heather to respond to your comment I think Hamlet really is being seriuos about killing himself and not being sarcastic. While reading the book he does seem really depressed and i think he would kill himself.
Dylan Ketchel
To answer a question above i think Laertes and Polonius dont want Ophelia tlaking to Hamlet because not only are they protective and know he will hurt her but becasue his dad just died and i think they are kind of forshadowing that they know Hamlets father was murdered and that Hamlet could be getting into really bad things. Like getting revenge.
Dylan Ketchel
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